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Date

2018-10-0411

Status of Minutes

DRAFTApproved

Approved at: <<Insert link to minutes showing approval>> 2019-12-12 Meeting notes (CR) DRAFT

Attendees

Voting

  • Andrew Hughes
  • Oscar Santoalla
  • Jim Pasquale
  • Richard Gomer
  • Mary Hodder
  • Mark Lizar

Non-Voting

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  • Tom Jones
  • David Turner
  • Colin WallisTom Jones
  • Sal D'Agostino
  • Sneha Ved


Regrets

  •   Oscar Santoalla

Quorum Status


Meeting was <<<>>> quorate


Voting participants


Participant Roster (2016) - Quorum is 5 of 9 as of 2018-07-12

Iain Henderson, Mary Hodder, Harri Honko, Mark Lizar, Jim Pasquale, John Wunderlich, Andrew Hughes, Oscar Santolalla, Richard Gomer

Discussion Items

Time

Item

Who

Notes

4 mins
  • Roll call
  • Agenda bashing
5 min
  • Organization updates
All

Please review these blogs offline for current status on Kantara and all the DG/WG:

There is a new wiki page that will hold all the known implementations of Consent Receipts - Please update the page or inform Andrew of your implementation.

Planning a Member Plenary meeting October 26-ish San Francisco (Friday after IIW)

10 5 minDemo updates / product roadmapAll
  • No new demo partners will be ready for Amsterdam - too short notice
  • Retargeting to EIC in May
  • digi.me is scheduling product updates now
    • has suggestions for CR structural updates - we need to figure out how to introduce these, since they would be 'breaking' changes for everyone else
    • Julian Ranger has recommitted to getting the CR better integrated into the product - for example, to be able to get receipts inbound into their dashboard concept
    • More info in a few weeks
15 minDiscuss approach to creating usability guidelinesAll

Consent Receipt Usability and Accessibility Project

  • Comments
    • Accessibility is a small part of the usability domain
    • Usability and accessibility is a narrow part of design - tends to be about technical design (button size etc)
    • We should be looking at Interaction Design for the consent receipt
    • Start with minimal guidelines for developers - there are accessibility checkers that can be run against sites to give hints for improvement
    • User experience:
      • Aesthetics, good experience, create desire to interact further.
    • Usability:
      • Does something functionally meet my needs?
  • What are we trying to design? What is the artifact that we want?
    • How to design to enable "Informed" consent? And how to maintain the 'state' of that consent so that when the user returns they can comprehend the state of play.
    • "Consent State": the essential of the consent receipt
    • "Privacy Signals": to figure out state changes
    • Example from Tom: https://tcwiki.azurewebsites.net/index.php?title=Consent_Receipt_Construction
    • Does the "Purpose for processing personal data" statement meet the requirement that it must be understood by the user?
    • Approach?: Provide developers a list of the regulatory requirements and guidance on how they can meet those requirements in their technical designs
    • Look at ISO 29184 drafts for some usability material
    • Mary will post material from the IDESG User Experience committee - guidance on what points to consider user experience and how to evaluate
  • Goals
    • what are we trying to design? What problem are we trying to solve and for whom?
      • For people/users: they do not understand the language used in e.g. the Privacy Notice, Privacy statement, Purpose and Consent, etc - and therefore are unable to make informed choices about processing of their personal data.
      • For designers/developers: Developers do not understand or know of the requirements imposed on their products from applicable regulations. And they don't know how to design in ways to meet those requirements in ways that satisfy item 1).
      • For people/users: People are blocked from getting their stuff done by the privacy notices, consents and other disruptions. They want to be interrupted when it matters to them, otherwise not.
        • (Note that this WG does not have the expertise to solve this on the broad scale)
  • Objectives/Outputs?
    • Semantic analysis about what the person should understand - to inform designs
    • Design guidance on how to express "privacy state" or "consent state"
    • Design guidance on how to indicate "state changes" or "privacy signals"
  • What should the WG produce next?
    • A report about "what is problematic"
      • Consent types
      • Purpose definitions for informed consent

The WG discussion was inconclusive, so we decided to start an outline of a document:

  • Tom and Mary to draft an outline of what the issues/topics are that need to be addressed by this WG - by end of Tuesday
  • Mary to also contribute document drafts for taxonomy
20 minInteroperable Consent Receipt roadmap ideasAll

Continuation of the discussion about 'what should interoperate?'

not discussed

0 minInteroperable Consent Receipt roadmap ideasAll

From 2018-10-04 call:

  • If the legitimate basis is not 'explicit consent' - but rather legitimate interest, is the concept of 'data receipt' still viable?
  • Mark - yes, the current CR was designed to be not confined to 'explicit consent' - so yes, the receipt concept will work for other bases for processing
    • in particular - for updates to privacy notices
  • Mark Q: would it be interesting to have additional values for the 'consent type' field? A: YES! 
    • Jim: maybe this should go to the Consent Management WG?
  • A lawyer at the Seattle event pointed out that it would be useful to capture the actual privacy notice that was agreed by the user.
    • OpenConsent has an alpha product that might suit the purpose
    • There is a systemic problem that needs to be addressed - and capturing the privacy notice won't actually help
    • If there is a strong need for a high value receipt, then it would be very useful to capture the actual notice text
    • So maybe the receipt could have optionality to allow for capture of the notice text.
  • WG needs to take some time to discuss the UX - schedule it
    • Tom has posted some examples that could be discussed
    • Mark - OpenBanking has posted UX guidance
  • Schedule specific multiple calls for this to discuss what the user should see, and how this translates into the 'receipt' concept
    • Should this WG do a spec or guidance on UX or UI?
    • Should this WG talk about what the 'receipt' means and / or represents?
    • (YES to both question)
  • Andrew: suggests first design call on Thursday October 18, 2019 and then every 4 weeks to be kind to the down-under-ers.

From 2018-09-27 call:

See the data flow sketch that Andrew circulated by email

Image Removed

This diagram shows ALL data flows, despite the legitimate basis for processing. The idea is that given this data flow diagram, what are the functions, nouns and verbs for each of the legitimate bases?

Q: How would enforcement work?

Q: What's the difference between 'observe' and 'surveil'? A: Depends on if the user is aware of it or not.

Also see from our archives:

https://kantarainitiative.org/iain-henderson-the-personal-data-eco-system/

The 'my data', 'our data', 'their data' view

Comment Brent: in a social network, what roles do the different actors take? eg if I share an image, what role does the website take, what role do the users who can view my image take? also, how do I represent those rules where I restrict access to my data based on roles or groups I assign to my connections? how do I represent that implicit consent using consent receipts without knowing explicitly who I am granting permission to?

Comment: This picture looks very corporate - must ensure that the individual's perspective is very clear

Comment: The 'interface' for the individual should not be the 'consent receipt' itself - but rather the interaction with the service
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JLINC perspective: Alice grants permission and organization seeks consent. Alice only sees permissions.

Comment: this discussion is oriented towards 'explicit' consent. But all interaction has some level of agreement.



Iain: the highest value work item is the lexicon work


0 min

Permissions v User Consent discussion

notes from From 2018-09-13 call

All

From 2018-09-27 call:

Proposal:

Permission = Authorization to act

Data Permissions = the functional actions that are allowed on information (database: Create, Read, Update, Delete; communications: Copy, Transmit, Store; data flow: Collect, Use, Disclose) or resources.

User Consent = Voluntary agreement by the person to take an action. GDPR includes 'unambiguous'

  • So, a system might be authorized to act on personal data with or without a user's agreement. A person may grant permission or authorize a system to act on personal data.

Questions:

  • Is an OAuth 'consent' / 'authorization' / 'permission' dialog box truly 'user consent'?
    • If it is not 'user consent' then why not?
    • So: the process of obtaining agreement from the user in the OAuth dialog box is "User Consent". What the user has agreed that you can do with their resources is "authorization" in the sense that they give you 'permission' to take actions.
  • How does this apply to Collection, Use and Disclosure of information? (these are the data flow words)
  • To tease out the usable definition of 'authorization': What is the difference between Authorization and Access Control? (data & systems-context)
    • Authorization is the granted right to proceed (a.k.a 'permission')
    • Access control is the functional actions that are allowed

Alternative proposal:

  • Permission is a general authorization to act. Authorization may be granted by actors that are not the data subject.
  • Consent is a specific agreement to act in a limited case.

Note:

  • Permission / authorization as a verb can be granted through an act of user consent.

Another proposal:

  • Should the terms should be Authorization and User consent
5 min
Adding feature requests to next version of spec familyAll

AOB



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2018-10-11 18 Same time same number