2018-09-20 Meeting notes (CR)

Date

2018-09-20

Status of Minutes

Approved

Approved at: 2019-12-12 Meeting notes (CR) DRAFT

Attendees

Voting

Andrew Hughes
Oscar Santolalla
Iain Henderson
Jim Pasquale
Mark Lizar

Non-Voting

Derek Munneke (Meeco)
David Turner
Marvin van Wingerde
Colin Wallis
Brent

Regrets

Quorum Status

Meeting was <<<>>> quorate

Voting participants

Participant Roster (2016) - Quorum is 5 of 9 as of 2018-07-12

Iain Henderson, Mary Hodder, Harri Honko, Mark Lizar, Jim Pasquale, John Wunderlich, Andrew Hughes, Oscar Santolalla, Richard Gomer

Discussion Items

Time	Item	Who	Notes
4 mins	Roll call Agenda bashing	Former user (Deleted)	Recap of MyData conference Andrew has set up a github repo for next-version specification backlog items: https://github.com/KantaraInitiative/consent-receipt-v-next
5 min	Organization updates	All	Please review these blogs offline for current status on Kantara and all the DG/WG: Director's Corner:2018: August Work + Discussion Group Activity There is a new wiki page that will hold all the known implementations of Consent Receipts - Please update the page or inform Andrew of your implementation. Planning a Member Plenary meeting October 26-ish San Francisco (Friday after IIW) Are there specific cross-group items you'd like to propose to work on?
30 min	Interoperable Consent Receipt roadmap ideas	All	See the data flow sketch that Andrew circulated by email This diagram shows ALL data flows, despite the legitimate basis for processing. The idea is that given this data flow diagram, what are the functions, nouns and verbs for each of the legitimate bases? Q: How would enforcement work? Q: What's the difference between 'observe' and 'surveil'? A: Depends on if the user is aware of it or not. Also see from our archives: https://kantarainitiative.org/iain-henderson-the-personal-data-eco-system/ The 'my data', 'our data', 'their data' view Comment Brent: in a social network, what roles do the different actors take? eg if I share an image, what role does the website take, what role do the users who can view my image take? also, how do I represent those rules where I restrict access to my data based on roles or groups I assign to my connections? how do I represent that implicit consent using consent receipts without knowing explicitly who I am granting permission to? Comment: This picture looks very corporate - must ensure that the individual's perspective is very clear Comment: The 'interface' for the individual should not be the 'consent receipt' itself - but rather the interaction with the service. JLINC perspective: Alice grants permission and organization seeks consent. Alice only sees permissions. Comment: this discussion is oriented towards 'explicit' consent. But all interaction has some level of agreement. Iain: the highest value work item is the lexicon work
0 min	Permissions v User Consent discussion notes from From 2018-09-13 call	All	Proposal: Permission = Authorization to act Data Permissions = the functional actions that are allowed on information (database: Create, Read, Update, Delete; communications: Copy, Transmit, Store; data flow: Collect, Use, Disclose) or resources. User Consent = Voluntary agreement by the person to take an action. GDPR includes 'unambiguous' So, a system might be authorized to act on personal data with or without a user's agreement. A person may grant permission or authorize a system to act on personal data. Questions: Is an OAuth 'consent' / 'authorization' / 'permission' dialog box truly 'user consent'? If it is not 'user consent' then why not? So: the process of obtaining agreement from the user in the OAuth dialog box is "User Consent". What the user has agreed that you can do with their resources is "authorization" in the sense that they give you 'permission' to take actions. How does this apply to Collection, Use and Disclosure of information? (these are the data flow words) To tease out the usable definition of 'authorization': What is the difference between Authorization and Access Control? (data & systems-context) Authorization is the granted right to proceed (a.k.a 'permission') Access control is the functional actions that are allowed Alternative proposal: Permission is a general authorization to act. Authorization may be granted by actors that are not the data subject. Consent is a specific agreement to act in a limited case. Note: Permission / authorization as a verb can be granted through an act of user consent. Another proposal: Should the terms should be Authorization and User consent
5 min	W3C workshop on User Consent and Permissions September 26, 2018	Andrew	https://www.w3.org/Privacy/permissions-ws-2018/schedule.html
5 min	Adding feature requests to next version of spec family	All	Andrew has set up a github repo for next-version specification backlog items: https://github.com/KantaraInitiative/consent-receipt-v-next
	AOB		Jim: suggests that we formally agree on the 'permissions v user consent' descriptions/explanations and circulate to other interested associations and working groups. Iain: let's resurface our existing lexicon/terms that have been developed over time and publish
	Next meeting		2018-09-27 Same time same number (Andrew not available next 2 weeks)