P3WG Meeting Minutes 2009-09-03

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Kantara Initiative Privacy & Public Policy Teleconference

* Date: Thursday, 03 SEP, 2009

  • Time: 08:00 PDT | 11:00 EDT | 15:00 UTC

Meeting Minute Status

Working Draft

This page is a Working Draft subject to further revision and has not yet been approved by the Privacy & Public Policy Work Group.

Attendees

1. Trent Adams
2. Rich Furr
3. Susan Landau
4. Mark Lizar (had trouble connecting to call)
5. Georgia K Marsh
6. Brett McDowell
7. Colin Soutar
8. Jeff Stollman
9. Randy van der Hoff

NOTE: Insufficient number to constitue a quorum

Apologies

1. Robin Wilton
2. Iain Henderson

Agenda

1. Reschedule next call when Robin will be flying home from Vegas.

2. Collaboration site URL (Randy van der Hoof)

3. GSA feedback letter (Susan Landau) ( RW note)

4. Comparison of US/UK LoA (Patrick Curry)

5. Broadening P3-wg participation

6. Funding ideas (Robin note / SmartCard Alliance meeting?)

7. Vice-chair & secretary nominations

8. Other

Minutes

1. Reschedule next call when Robin will be flying home from Vegas.

SUMMARY: We decided to go with Friday 18th, 08:00 PDT (16:00 BST) in order to obtain full feedback from Robin on activities in Las Vegas. See dial in details at the end.

2. Collaboration site URL (Randy van der Hoof)

SUMMARY: Randy tabled his presentation until the next call: Brett recommends we coordinate use of any collaboration site with Joni Brennan (staff@KantaraInitive.org).

3. Quorum problem

SUMMARY: Guidance to make sure Robin understands with 42 signed up members, we need 21 people to have a quorum to take a position on anything during the call. We can always hold an electronic ballot in order to obtain the participation necessary to pass something.

4. GSA ICAM feedback letter (Brett McDowell/Susan Landau) ( RW note)

  • Process
    • Brett summarized process options in his email of this morning (a recommendation will take several weeks for all-member ballot)
      • Recommendation process: Work group approves draft recommendation; 45 days required for comment on draft recommendation. Then, LC reviews document to ensure it is within charter. Then, all-member Ballot requires 7 days.
      • Report process: Report requires only work group approval, but cannot use Kantara logo
        • DISCUSSION: Susan recommends report now and concurrent pursuit of draft recommendation for later submission with two ballot items: 1) report vs. recommendation and 2) if we decide to move forward rapidly with a report, pursue recommendation, as well
  • Document Content
    • Brett Noted that his comments on the document itself reflect his personal views, based on his experience as liaison to ICAM
    • ICAM includes only LoA 1-3 (without PKI)
    • Susan & Rich: Don’t think that we should suggest this scope limitation in and of itself could lead to sub-optimization by excluding LoA 3 (with PKI) and LoA 4. It will dilute our message with content this is not actionable by ICAM.
    • Susan comfortable with Brett’s changes
    • Rich will submit some corrections to Susan to address Brett’s comments.
    • Susan will issue post one more version of the document and then we will submit it for ballot among P3wg members
      • Send ballot text to Staff@KantaraInitiative.org
  • Socialization of Document
    • Rich Furr favors sharing it with IA and soliciting their comments
    • Rich also recommends sharing it with Health Information and Consumer Identity
    • Brett: Founders foresaw possibility that different groups might have different opinions. Should other groups disagree with our position in the ICAM response, that does not preclude us from submitting it as a Report.
    • Group seems to favor sharing, but concerned about delay.
    • we could send it out and welcome other groups to sign on as a group if they support our position, rather than continuing to massage the text and further delay our response.
    • (Of course, people could join our group in order to vote (subject to signing the P3wg IPR))

5. Comparison of US/UK LoA (Patrick Curry)

  • Tabled to next call because Patrick was unavailable

6. Broadening P3-wg participation

  • Participants (with Robin gone, no action was reported on engaging the following): Judy Spencer, Dave Temoshok, EU ENISA, UK Information Commissioner's Office (RW task?), other suitable EU candidates (e.g. from PrimeLife or other projects), Paul Hasson (CPO - US Visit) (RW task)
  • Brett recommends inviting the following people from ICAM meeting and offered to invite them on our behalf: Deborah Diener, US Internal Revenue Service; Dawn Wiggins, US Social Security Administration; Naomi Lefkovitz, US Federal Trade Commission; Jim Lewis
  • Susan recommended Brett invite the following (she will send Brett their contact info): Lee Tien, ESS; Ari Schwartz

7. Funding ideas

  • SmartCard Alliance meeting
    • Rich: Quickly reach out for funding for refreshment; we should get free room
    • Randy no longer on call to report on status of getting room and other support from SmartCard Alliance

8. Vice-chair & secretary nominations

  • Jeff: I have submitted my name for vice-chair
  • Rich: Did emails go out soliciting nominations? If not, they should be sent out call attendance is small.
    • Send an email out as a “call for leadership” to engage addressees.

9. Other (We ran out of time to cover anything else)

Actions

  • Brett: Pursue the people on this list for P3wg membership (items 6b and 6c above)
  • Rich: Send updated ICAM letter text to Susan
  • Susan: Post finalized draft ICAM letter for review and ballot support
  • Jeff: 1) Initiate ballot process for decision on treatment of ICAM letter and 2) Distribute letter to other groups in PDF format seeking their sign-on without changes and inviting comments (to keep us from making a major faux pas)
  • Patrick: Prepare to present comparison of UK/US levels of assurance
  • Randy: Prepare report on Prepare report on support obtainable from SmartCard Alliance
  • Robin: 1) Send out emails soliciting leadership support (secretary and other vice-chair nominations)and 2) Pursue the contacts he has already agreed to chasing to join P3wg (Item 6a above)

Next Meeting

  • Date: Friday, Sept. 18, 2009
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