UMA telecon 2023-02-17

Date and Time

• Primary-week Thursdays 06:30am PT; Secondary-week Thursdays 10:00am PT

  • Screenshare and dial-in: https://zoom.us/j/99487814311?pwd=dTAvZi9uN0ZmeXJReWRrc1Zycm5KZz09

  • United States: +1 346 248 7799, Access Code: 994 8781 4311

  • See UMA calendar for additional details: https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/uma/pages/4857518/Calendar

Agenda

• Approve minutes since UMA telecon 2023-01-12

• UMA slides for Kantara presentation at upcoming conferences

• IDPro knowledge base / general UMA articles

• Check-in, Pensions Dashboard Use-case report

• AOB

Attendees

• NOTE: As of Sept 15, 2022, quorum is 4 of 6. (Peter, Sal, Alec, Eve, Steve, Sophia)

• Voting:

• Non-voting participants:

  • Alec

  • Steve

  • Sal

• Regrets:

  • Hanfei

Quorum: No

Meeting Minutes

Approve previous meeting minutes

• Approve minutes of UMA telecon 2023-01-12 UMA telecon 2023-01-19 , UMA telecon 2023-02-02 , UMA telecon 2023-02-09

• Deferred - no quorum

Topics

UMA slides for Kantara presentation at upcoming conferences

15-30mins presentation

2022 EIC https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1bbUknYbtkSV4Lr1a8xSJ4xp1ZlbICnB1cE4145UNOAc/edit#slide=id.g1274d1b5031_0_7

2021 EIC https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1GdvHFYEPVpWT55nXZtkShCZ8RQC696KJ5oghlHJrnuU/edit#slide=id.gea29b11378_0_12

IIW UMA 101: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LIIqCisoJZxvaH_KzC6hcfQmnJCmKxBH/view?usp=sharing

What would we include in a 3-5 mins presentation (e.g. in a larger Kantara workshop)

• what is UMA, the problem being addressed

• UMA Spec + implementors

• recent and current work (Julie Use-case + Pension Dashboard Use-case Reports)

• Point to group + resources

Pensions Dashboard / Open Banking Use-case report, initial discussion

Draft will be worked on here: Pension Dashboard Use-Case Report

Hanfei has added some bullets to the report,

IDPro knowledge base / general UMA articles

We editing the current wikipedia article here: Wikipedia Article Refresh

AOB

Wiki cleanup; add links to slides from UMA presentations (see section above) – Intro to UMA

Julie Use-case – send to Kantara staff to publish on main site Reports & Recommendations

Potential Future Work Items / Meeting Topics

Tentative 2023 roadmap:

• 120 A financial use-case report (following the Julie healthcare template)

  • openbanking is to FHIR(data model) as FAPI is to SMARTonFHIR(authZ protocol profile)

  • 123 Pensions Dasboard Report → use-case is well understood and live/going live soon. tight use-case

    • Let’s reach out to some of the involved people eg at Origo or Forgerock. Were there any gaps in UMA they had to work around?

    • https://www.pensionsdashboardsprogramme.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/PDP-Technical-standards-Nov-2022.pdf

  • 127 Open Banking Report → requires more research, determine use case

    • Who would lead this/ needs this for UMA in open banking contexts? Should come after FAPI review?

• 130 IDPro knowledge base articles

• 140 Wikipedia article refresh: User-Managed Access

• UMA simple value explainers, business and technical ‘marketing’

Full list:

• 20 Confluence clean up, archive old items and promote the latest & greatest

  • 10 UMA glossary – Steve has started 

• 100 FAPI Review (FAPI + UMA) 

  • scope: how the FAPI work could be applied to UMA ecosystems

  • review may inform what profiling work is required, eg if UMA must support PAR to work with FAPI

• 120 A financial use-case report (following the Julie healthcare template)

  • openbanking is to FHIR(data model) as FAPI is to SMARTonFHIR(authZ protocol profile)

  • 123 Pensions Dasboard Report → use-case is well understood and live/going live soon. tight use-case

    • Let’s reach out to some of the involved people eg at Origo or Forgerock. Were there any gaps in UMA they had to work around?

    • https://www.pensionsdashboardsprogramme.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/PDP-Technical-standards-Nov-2022.pdf

  • 127 Open Banking Report → requires more research, determine use case

    • Who would lead this/ needs this for UMA in open banking contexts? Should come after FAPI review?

• 130 IDPro knowledge base articles

• 140 Wikipedia article refresh

• 150 Minor profiling work,

  • resource scopes → scopes 

  • PAR as dynamic scopes eg fhir query params

  • policy manager & policy description

  • 110 pushed claims types: templates + profiles (beyond IDTokens): 171 VCs, 113 consent, policy, mDL

    • use-case, consent as claims (needs_info),

      • if the client has gathered RqP consent, can it be presented to the AS

      • the policy to access a resource says "you must have agreed to this TOS/consent"

      • compare to interactive claims gathering where the AS would present this consent/TOS to the RqP

      • intersection with ANCR/consent receipt/trust registry work in other Kantara groups

• 170 UMA + Verifiable Credentials

  • how would VCs work in an UMA ecosystem? How could VCs be used as claims in UMA

  • There are openapi specs for VC formats

  • Could UMA protect a VC presentation or issuance endpoint?

  • There's a lot of openid4vc profiles 

• 300 mDL + UMA

  • scope: how mDL could work in UMA ecosystems, how mDL could be a claim to UMA 

  • is there a role for UMA in token fabrication and referencing it as the RS?

• 600 Review of the email-poc correlated authorization specification

  • https://github.com/umalabs/correlated-authorization

  • https://groups.google.com/g/kantara-initiative-uma-wg/c/BntTknCOAAE/m/EzL9i_VIAwAJ

  • https://groups.google.com/g/kantara-initiative-uma-wg/c/ablVJ9cAreg/m/a_ZpCVrcCQAJ

• 500 UMA + GNAP https://oauth.xyz/specs/ 

  • would we have an UMA GNAP version (eg extension of GNAP or UMA? UMAonGNAP) 

  • will GNAP meet all the UMA outcomes?

• UMA 2 playground/sandbox

  • eg https://developers.google.com/oauthplayground/, https://www.oauth.com/playground/

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