TI WG 2011-09-22 Teleconference

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Kantara TI WG Teleconference, Th. 22 Sep. '11

Date:

  • Date: Th. 22 Sep 2011

Attendees:

  • Gaël Gourmelen, Orange-FT (voting)
  • Keith Uber, Ubisecure Solutions, Inc. (voting)
  • Ingo Friese, DT (voting)
  • Philippe Clement, Orange-FT (non-voting)
  • Jonas Högberg, Ericsson (voting)
  • Fulup Ar Foll (non-voting)

Regrets:

  •  

Staff

  • None (we miss you :-)

Agenda:

- Roll Call

- Minute taker

- Approval of minutes 

- Amendments/modifications to the agenda

- AP review 

- Ongoing work update:

•         Telco Reqs. for IdM,

•         Network APIs State-of-the-Art for IdM,

•         Cook Book for Massively Scalable Telco IdM Systems,

•         REST SOAP Harmonisation; and

•         KI version of IMS & DigId WP.

•         ENISA WI – Web-site login from smart-phone

- Next F2F

- Next teleconference

- AoB

- Adjourn

Notes:

1. Roll Call

Quorum was met with 4 out of 4 voting members present.

2. Minute Taker

Minutes were taken by Keith Uber.

3. Amendments/Modifications to the Agenda

- None

4. Approval of minutes

Previous meeting minutes not yet complete.

5. AP Review

COMPLETED SINCE LAST MEETING:

ACTION POINT: 20110616-04: for Ingo to send first draft of Telco requirements to the group for review. Comment: at F2F.

OUTSTANDING:

ACTION POINT: 20110210-01: for Jonas and Gael to put forward the revised and proofread IMS document to the Kantara Leadership Council for approval. To request the help of Anna to ensure correct process for the ballot.

ACTION POINT: 20110728-02: Jonas to complete Network APIs conclusion chapter. The conclusion could include a table summarizing the various APIs by functionality and protocol.

NEW APs ARISING FROM THIS MEETING:

ACTION POINT: 20110922-01: Gaël, Ingo to circulate slides (or parts of) from Lannion F2F

ACTION POINT: 20110922-02: Keith to look at F2F arrangements for Helsinki Nov/Dec 2011

ACTION POINT: 20110922-03: Keith to start discussion on mailing list on MSISDN authentication using http enrichment.

ACTION POINT: 20110922-04: Keith to update cookbook with diagrams on possible federation pattern as a discussion starter for ISA approach..

6. Ongoing Work Update

TELCO REQUIREMENTS:

In Lannion it was decided to create a document from the requirements presentation. Ingo to date has written one model chapter of the 10 chapters, and after the F2F got feedback how to improve and what direction to go. He has worked further on it and is ready to share. He requests that it be checked for content and style. If it is on the right track, he will complete the other 9 chapters.

Some parts of the document can reference directly the cookbook, that is, the cookbook will implemented the requirements presented.

Ingo will send the revised document to the group by email.

NETWORK APIS STATE OF THE ART:

Jonas to take care of conclusion chapter before distribution on WG participants by email. After that wait for comments from Gaël & Ingo, make edits, do a 2 week review with the TIWG and then submit to LC

COOK BOOK FOR MASSIVELY SCALABLE IDM TELCO ARCHITECTURE:

Jonas will create the skeleton document using the presentation and video as a basis, and add Keith's first draft chapter on SP on-boarding and meta data exchange arrangements. 

REST SOAP HARMONISATION:

Gaël will update the report based on the comments he has received to date. Will improve layout and use the Kantara template.   Gaël will distribute to the list for comments.

ENISA WP:

Still no news from ENISA on the 1st draft.  Task priority is low at ENISA. No action, waiting for draft.

ULX WG AND ISA - TELCO RELEVANCE:

Philippe:

Before the ISA (Identity Selector) group merged with the ULX, ISA group had clear goals for a desired outcome. So far only the graphical aspect has been addressed to date. The protocol discussion and question of metadata has not been fully addressed. The ISA in the network vs ISA in the device discussion has not been achieved.

Philippe reiterated the relevance to Telcos and requested this work be undertaken in the Telco WG. It is not believed that ex-ULX WG members would join the Telco WG. 

Keith suggested studying of the issue could be one chapter of the Telco Cookbook. Philippe can contribute the business case and level approach to the paper.

WAC

The group is following closely the authentication platform proposed as part of WAC. http://www.wacapps.net/

Ingo presented at the WAC conference. Discussion held regarding WAC and Authentication, Payment API.

WAC is adopting oAuth for authentication and authorization. They are not using anything based on the sim. GBA not likely included in first release.

WAC will initially use MSIDN for authentication through a gateway, supporting 2G and 3G devices.

7. Next F2F

November/December F2F - Current proposal is Helsinki, hosted by Ubisecure. Keith will check for possible colocation possiblities with ID or Telco related conferences.

8. Next Teleconference

In two weeks time as normal. 6 Oct 2011

9. AOB

- Keith attended the Terena REFEDs meeting in Helsinki. REFEDs in their planning for the coming year stressed cooperation with other organizations specializing in identity. Keith presented very briefly the work of eGov and Telco groups and invited cooperation on our projects, many which overlap or touch the same issues (profiling, interop, PEER, ULX, discovery, privacy, cross border data exchange, trust frameworks, network scalability etc)

- Fulup had participated twice earlier, recommended to others to look at eduroam, edugain - certificate based authentication to wifi network, creating own subnet.

- For automated discovery at a web service, Keith raised discussion on determining home realm / operator from MSISDN, various device APIs for resolution (not available on iOS for example), sim card MC can not distinguish MNO from MVNO. No known web APIs for resolution of operator from MSISDN.

10. Adjourn

Meeting adjourned at 17:40 CEST.

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