TI WG 2011-08-25 Teleconference

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Kantara TI WG Teleconference, Th. 25 Aug. '11

 

Date:

  • Date: Th. 25 Aug 2011

Attendees:

  • Gaël Gourmelen, Orange-FT (voting)
  • Keith Uber, Ubisecure Solutions, Inc. (voting)
  • Ingo Friese, DT (voting)
  • Philippe Clement, Orange-FT (non-voting)

Regrets:

  • Fulup Ar Foll (non-voting)
  • Jonas Högberg, Ericsson (voting)

Staff

  • None

Agenda:

- Roll Call

- Minute taker

- Approval of minutes 

- Amendments/modifications to the agenda

- AP review 

- Ongoing work update:

•         Telco Reqs. for IdM,

•         Network APIs State-of-the-Art for IdM,

•         Cook Book for Massively Scalable Telco IdM Systems,

•         REST SOAP Harmonisation; and

•         KI version of IMS & DigId WP.

•         ENISA WI – Web-site login from smart-phone

- Next F2F

- Next teleconference

- AoB

- Adjourn

Notes:

1. Roll Call

Quorum was met with 3 out of 4 voting members present.

2. Minute Taker

Minutes were taken by Keith Uber.

3. Amendments/Modifications to the Agenda

- Philipe requests a discussion of ULX WG, which may close soon.

4. Approval of minutes

28.7.2011 - Ingo moved, Gaël seconded.

11.8.2011 - Was a non-quorate call, only Keith and Gaël were on the call. Informal discussion held. No minutes taken.

5. AP Review

COMPLETED SINCE LAST MEETING:

ACTION POINT: 20110616-05: for Keith to write MSS section for ENISA whitepaper. Comment; Draft ready, will distribute by email. Also seeking external review. Collecting references

OUTSTANDING:

ACTION POINT: 20110210-01: for Jonas and Gael to put forward the revised and proofread IMS document to the Kantara Leadership Council for approval. To request the help of Anna to ensure correct process for the ballot. Comment; Jonas to do the remaining work.

ACTION POINT: 20110616-02: for Keith to write a chapter on service provider on-boarding and metadata exchange arrangements.

ACTION POINT: 20110616-04: for Ingo to send first draft of Telco requirements to the group for review. Comment: Still in progress.

ACTION POINT: 20110616-05: for Keith to write MSS section for ENISA whitepaper. Comment: Not that urgent as we haven't received the template from Marnix (ENISA).

ACTION POINT: 20110630-01: Gaël to send a friendly reminder to Marnix of ENISA on the template for the white paper on 'Login to a Web Site from a Smart-Phone.' Comment: Still no news as at 25.8.2011, Gaël will contact Marnix again, or possibly another contact (ENISA).

ACTION POINT: 20110728-02: All to review the Network APIs. Wait for comments from Gaël & Ingo, make edits, do a 2 week review with the TIWG and then submit to LC. ' Comment: Conclusion chapter is missing and needs to be done. The conclusion could include a table summarizing the various APIs by functionality and protocol.

NEW APs ARISING FROM THIS MEETING:

ACTION POINT: 20110825-01: Gaël to send a friendly reminder to Marnix of ENISA on the template for the white paper on 'Login to a Web Site from a Smart-Phone.' Comment: Still no news as at 25.8.2011, Gaël will contact Marnix again, or possibly another contact within Orange who is working with ENISA.

ACTION POINT: 20110825-02: Gaël to send recommended hotel and driving details to others by email. Gaël will send telephone bridge details on the day to Keith.

ACTION POINT: 20110825-03: Gaël to prepare and send preliminary agenda for F2F.

6. Ongoing Work Update

TELCO REQUIREMENTS:

Ingo to distribute first draft soon. He is also reviewing other studies to determine the suitable level of detail - most studies are on a very technical level, but not on the general requirements and business cases. Ingo plans to present the work to date at the Face-to-Face in Britanny.

NETWORK APIS STATE OF THE ART:

Conclusion chapter remains incomplete. Aim to complete by the end of the Face-to-Face in Britanny. Jonas to take care of integration and proof-reading before distribution on the WG's e-mail list. After that wait for comments from Gaël & Ingo, make edits, do a 2 week review with the TIWG and then submit to LC

COOK BOOK FOR MASSIVELY SCALABLE IDM TELCO ARCHITECTURE:

No news. Keith will start to write a chapter on SP on-boarding and meta data exchange arrangements. To be done before the Face to Face in Britanny.

REST SOAP HARMONISATION:

Gaël will do an update based on the comments he has received to date. Will improve layout and use the Kantara template.   To be done before the Face to Face in Britanny. He will present the final version there.

KI VERSION OF IMS & DIGID WP:

Jonas to do the remaining work on July 29, 2011.  (Please model the document on the template here).

ENISA WP:

Still no news from ENISA on the 1st draft.  Keith to distribute draft chapter on ETSI MSS by email to the group participants after the call.

ULX WG AND ISA - TELCO RELEVANCE:

Philippe:

Before the ISA (Identity Selector) group merged with the ULX, ISA group had clear goals for a desired outcome. So far only the graphical aspect has been addressed to date. The protocol discussion and question of metadata has not been fully addressed. The ISA in the network vs ISA in the device discussion has not been achieved.

Philippe presents the question that does the concept of a pure Telco ISA make sense?

Authentication means are more simple than social login (Implicit network authentication, SMS OTP, OTP, QR code, GBA, etc) making it very straightforward. Supports LoA from basic to advanced.

Trust framework could easily be made for Telcos, such has been made for roaming in the mobile world.

Telcos have business opportunities. First they should reclaim the authentication space now taken by google etc. Alone they may not succeed, but if the Telcos work together they can compete.

We already have a wide range of Telco APIs that could justify the business case, particularly mentioned billing, privacy.

Ingo: Agrees that telcos should have their own ISA, as they have specific authentication technology. Telcos must work together to compete with Over the top players (OTTP) such as Google. There are synergies with the Massively Scalable Architecture work.

Philippe: Can this be an action item for discussion together within the telco wg?

Telcos are best-in-class in authentication and need to work together to have a first level of agreement.

Gaël: One of the main objectives of the next F2F is to define clearly the objectives and outcomes/topics that we work on for the year ahead. Philippe's request is timely for consideration during that meeting. We could arrange a slot during the next face to face to discuss this and hear more. We need to compare this as to what has done in WAC - Wholesale Application Community -(collection of mobile providers and others)

Ingo: I can give an update on the current status of WAC. WAC could be one candidate for ISA model.

Gaël: We need at the F2F align our work also with the other Kantara initiatives, eg trust frameworks, APIs. At the same time determine what is in our scope, and what is the scope of other, even external organizations, such as WAC

Philippe agreed to present at F2F. Ingo will give an update on WAC at F2F.

7. Next F2F

Because traveling to the US for the next Kantara conference (Registration: 20-21 Oct. '11 in Redwood City, CA, USA) is not possible for many members, the Telco WG will meet on September 7th-8th at Orange-FT's premises in Lannion (Brittany).  Current confirmed particpants are Ingo, Jonas, Philippe, Gaël.  Jonas to fly to Brest, pick up rental car, pick up Fulup, drive and meet in Lannion, drive to harbour, be on boat for 2-3 days, drive back to Brest and depart. Ingo will arrive around noon on 7th/8th. Do not schedule Ingo's topics for the first half day.

Gaël will send recommended hotel and driving details to others by email. Gaël will send telephone bridge details on the day to Keith.

8. Next Teleconference

Because of the Face to Face on 7th-8th September, the next call is on Th. 22 September, 2011. Jonas will be back from holiday and will run the call.

9. AOB

- None

10. Adjourn

Meeting adjourned at 16:57 CEST.

Next Meeting

  • Face to Face meeting on September 7th-8th at Orange-FT's premises in Lannion (Brittany) with telephone bridge.
  • Next Conf Call:
  • Date: 22 Sep. '11 
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