AMDG Meeting Notes 2012-06-05

Date and Time

• Date: Tuesday, 05 / 06 / 2012
• Time: 11h PT / 14h ET / 19h UTC

Attendees

• Sal D'Agostino
• Keith Hazelton
• Heather Flanagan (scribe)
• Ken Dagg
• Colin Wallis
• Colin Soutar
• Peter Alterman

Apologies

• Anil John

Agenda

AGENDA:

1. Administrative
   
   1. Roll Call
   2. New member introduction - no new members
   3. Agenda confirmation
   4. Action item review
2. Discussion
   
   1. Report on feedback from internal and external groups to our report
   2. Cooperative work with P3 WG and Healthcare Identity Assurance WG
   3. Latest Attribute Management news

Open Action Items

Action Item Review : (*Action Items numbered as *YYYYMMDD-01 Assignee : description....)

New Action Item

Action Item Review : (*Action Items numbered as *YYYYMMDD-01 Assignee : description....)

General discussion

Report on feedback from internal and external groups to our report

Sal D'Agostino: Presentation done to the Trust Elevation working group; one real comment out of that presentation was that perhaps we should add more stuff around what's going on with attributes in HL7 (Office of the National Coordinator); in general, people seem to have an interest in the look at the attribute environment, so that's work that should likely be continued; glad the work was done and want to say in touch but nothing more actionable than that

• mechanism of attribute exchange and LoA/LoC gaps were of most interest to OIX-AX

Keith Hazelton brought the report to the MACE-Dir (Internet2 Middleware) group - environmental scan of interest; this group has a lot of experience that could inform the conversation around context; if Keith could come back with specific requests for assistance, we might have some good contributions out of this group

Peter Alterman: seems that the document is asking for a bunch more Kantara studies, which didn't move the ball forward in any particular way; there are a number of groups working in this space, so the first thing to do would be to get the leadership of these groups together in a room and determine how we can go forward together rather than doing individual efforts

Cooperative work with P3 WG, IA WG and Healthcare Identity Assurance WG

Suggested by Joni Brennan and perhaps others to bring together several working groups working in overlapping spaces to decide on next steps; current suggestion is a face to face meeting in Washington DC in August

• let's consider taking this meeting as an opportunity to bring together the necessary groups as described in AOB to get together and decide next steps

Latest Attribute Management news

No new information

AOB

Come back to the points regarding environmental scan/survey

Who would be the people to bring together in a face to face meeting to limit the number of committees and groups repeating the work in this space?

• Sal D'Agostino: are we trying to define one of the NSTIC plenary groups? or is this the FICAM group?  maybe what we're doing here is giving that group that will focus on attribute management a nudge; should cull through the repository to note the groups we have already indicated are working in this space?
• Peter Alterman: we want all of the trust framework providers or federation operators to be talking to each other because they are the ones who are going to have to implement any kind of attribute management scheme; note the difference between NSTIC and FICAM is that FICAM is the trust framework and federation operator for the US Gov't, so its FICAM that would be included in this list, not NSTIC; it is the communities of interest that will put together the policies for what's most relevant to their business domains; there is no way currently for communities of interest to really put together a common attribute management direction - maybe the identity ecosystem governance entity will do something but it won't be quick; someone should put up a repository of attributes and their definitions; note that there is also more attention being spend on trust of attribute providers and how this relates to what Relying Parties are going to do (they are the point of decision for so much policy because they decide what to accept) and yet you can't force an attribute provider to do something outside of their business model
  
  • Note that the requirements for such a registry are currently being drafted by Leif Johansson, Heather Flanagan
• Ken Dagg: perhaps we can use Kantara to be the home for the community of interests?  the RP are indeed now the driving force and they should be the focus of the discussions; eGov should also be a part of this

Next Meeting

• Date: Tuesday, June 19, 2012
• Time: 11h PT / 14h ET / 19h UTC
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