Minutes approved, 2013-01-09

LC telecon 2012-12-19

Date and Time

Date: Wednesday, 19 December 2012
Time: 13:00 PT | 16:00 ET | 21:00 UTC (time chart)
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Agenda

Roll Call
Approve Minutes: LC telecon Minutes 2012-11-07
Administration:
1. Executive Director report
2. Action Item Review
3. Quarterly Reports
4. LC Chair, Vice-Chair, Secretary nominations
5. New BoT Liaison
Discussion and Votes
1. IAF Documents - Identity Assurance Framework - Working Drafts
2. Budget Request process - report from subcommittee
3. Subscriber versus Member (non-voting versus voting)
WG Updates
BoT Liaison Representative Update
AOB
Adjourn

Attendees

Colin Wallis
Andrew Hughes
Colin Soutar
Patrick Curry
Jonas Hogberg
Allan Foster
John Bradley
Pete Palmer

Quorum is 6 of 10 as of 06 June 2012.

Staff:

Heather Flanagan (scribe)

Non-voting:

Apologies:

Eve Maler
Pete Palmer

Minutes & Notes

MotionID	Motion	Moved	Second	Discussion / Objection	Status
20121219-01	Move to approve the LC telecon Minutes 2012-11-07	FIWG (Allan Foster)	IAWG (Andrew Hughes)	No Objections	APPROVED

Executive Director report

Postponed

Action Item Review

Action	Assigned To	Status	Description	Comments
20121107-01	Pete Palmer, Heather Flanagan	Open	Work with WG chairs for quarterly reports update.	All overdue WG and DG chairs notified
20121107-02	Heather Flanagan, Joni Brennan	Complete	Note to insert link to BoT 2012-11-01 minutes once they are up in draft.	Completed 19 Dec 2012

Discussion of Action Items

Action Item Review

Action	Assigned To	Status	Description	Comments
20120530-04	Patrick Curry, Colin Wallis, Joni Brennan, Ken Dagg	In Progress	Come up with first pass of industry classification and Venn diagram	Added: Sal D'Agostino, Andrew Hughes, Rainer Hoerbe

Note that the Venn Diagram is potentially more important now than it had been in the past; adding Andrew, Sal to the list of people working on this; this properly falls on the Trust Framework Sustainment group

- Andrew has a doc also in progress that can be added to the discussion
- Should consider adding Rainer Hoerbe to the conversation as the author of the Trust Framework Metamodel

Quarterly Reports

See Quarterly Reports

All overdue WG and DG chairs notified
Currently still overdue: FIWG*, HIAWG*, IAWG*, InfoSharing WG, Japan WG*, NSTIC DG* ("*" means group is 2 quarters past due)
See NSTIC DG discussion under AOG

Nominations

Note that there are currently 2 nominees for Leadership Council leadership; we had discussed holding these nominations and keeping the nomination period open in to January to cover those WG that would be having their own WG Chair elections
- HF to send out notice that nomination period stay open until Jan 13; election start on 15th, close on the 22nd

BoT Liaison

Pete Palmer has asked to step down as BoT Liaison; Allan has agreed to step up to fill that roll; by acclimation, LC has agreed
HF to verify whether the By-Laws allow for a non-LC KI member to act as LC-BoT liaison

Discussion

Votes

MotionID	Motion	Moved	Second	Discussion / Objection	Status
20121219-02	Accept and approve IAF-1300, IAF-1400, IAF-1800	eGov	IAWG	No objections (discussion in meeting minutes)	APPROVED

IAF document set

- HF: verifies that process as laid out in By-Laws and OP has been followed for the IAF document update
- draft reflects changes in SAC to accommodate services (does not need to be a complete service); also a separation of the KAR as an explicit document
- Is the LC ready to entertain a motion to approve the document set as is, or does the LC need more time and have us move this to an e-ballot?
- Patrick: two issues; strategic situation is changing very fast (changes in legislation, standards) and it is not just about people any more - the context in which these docs sit has moved quite a long way, and the age of these documents (some quite new, others quite old) there are fundamental problems with older docs like the Overview; less clear and confident how they will all work together as a whole; the IAWG should continue on, but there are some people that need to take the whole set away, determine if the docs join up, do they plug in to the international context, and are there any hot spots where we can fix things that are wrong, where do we have major opportunity out there/new requirements where we don't have things in the IAWG roadmap that need development
  - ColinW: the reason why the overview shows no revisions and the glossary is not hyperlinked is that the glossary is still being worked on, and until they've finalized the definitions in the glossary they cannot change the overview; there is no notion of the component document in this work, and that's another area that will need work
  - Heather: note that the IAWG is considering an errata system and/or a change of process to react more quickly to the changes in this environment
  - Patrick: request that whoever is working on the glossary be joined at the hip to the international efforts in this space
  - ColinS: the IAWG needs to walk the line in terms of supporting the ARB as well as the LC; are the revisions that are being proposed in the documents that have changes acceptable to send out to the members?
- From an eGov perspective, ColinW reports that the docs as changed are acceptable
- Andrew: IAWG is also talking about a public calendared schedule for the review cycle process
- Patrick - request a "download all" button; one big zip file; eventually consider something indicated most recent
- Motion: egov moves to approve 1300,1 400, 1800; iawg seconds; no objections to unanimous approval; move on to the All-Member ballot for recommendations

Budget subcommittee to report

a recent Board call focused on general finance over specific budget items, and the accounts receivable right now is fairly stretched; the BoT side of things is more focused on the cash flow than any further budget requests

Subscriber versus Member (non-voting versus voting)

available only to assessors or approved identity providers (HF to verify); then the push back the concern is that they have paid to become approved, why would they have to pay again to be allowed to vote?
they were not getting member priv's after being approved, despite paying fees; how can they become members? what would it cost? voting or non-voting?
is there a potential conflict of interest here? Can an assessor or an IdP having a vote in the organization? they do have skin in the game (aka motivation)
HF to start an email list discussion topic on this; there have been opinions voiced and we should get them on the list

WG Updates

HIAWG: KI has signed a MOU with a new org called DirectTrust.org, a new accreditation body for Health Info Service Providers that will assess and accredit them for Direct Messages (email protocol ~ S-MIME); MOU says that we will work together so that entities only need to be id-proofed once, and the id-proofing level will be respected by both programs

IAWG: discussing issue tracking tools for any comments coming in against IAF docs throughout the year, outside the Disposition of Comments period; question about errata and minor corrections is under discussions; decoupled binding model still in draft, but targeting a F2F at RSA to present this again; work underway to talk about 29115 and 800-63 alignment with the IAF docs

FIWG: last meeting of the year is tomorrow; last few have not been at quorum; expect things to pick up again in 2013

AIMWG: had second meeting last week, starting again on Jan 9; fairly active so far though we have not reached quorum

Telco WG: not much going on recently; working on an authentication document, but not much has happened this Autumn; not so many people turning up on the calls right now, and while there is no problem reaching quorum, there are not enough people contributing to make it a very productive group; have reached out to TelCo industry to try and improve participation, but they have not been seeing the problem that would suggest they should join

Trust Framework: continuing to develop documents and are in planning mode more than execution mode

eGov: relates closely to FIWG; major update is the update to the charter and outreach to new members; the GSA has resurrected the idea of the GSA becoming lock-step with the other profiles of the other governments, dropping their own SAML profile and using the eGov conformance profile of SAML 2; to do that, there are some differences between what FICAM uses today and what the eGov SAML 2pfile is, the bigger issue is around the testing; FICAM has signaled that they expect to work with the other governments in the eGov group for a common set of requirements that could in term be given to FIWG

P3WG: challenged earlier this year when the editor of the maojr doc resigned; Peter Capek has stepped up and assumed the editor role to work on the Privacy Assessment doc; when the doc is to a reasonably mature state (probably mid-Feb) would send to IAWG for review and comments to make sure that the Privacy Assessment Criteria is in sync with the SAC

BoT Liason Report

see budget info above; further info will be in email update to the list

AOB

Meeting schedule: no call Dec 26 and Jan 2, Admin Call Jan 9
NSTIC DG - concerned only in so much as we're trying to figure out how and where Kantara might want to relate to the IDESG in the future; that seems to be the right forum should those conversations need to happen; there is still too much going on to just close it now; HF to send to the list the rational from ColinS or to close now as the options; ask after the next round of elections of the IDESG (end of February)

New Action Items

Action	Assigned To	Description
20121219-03	Heather Flanagan	verify whether the By-Laws allow for a non-LC KI member to act as LC-BoT liaison
20121219-04	Heather Flanagan	create a zip file of all current, normative documents in the IAF
20121219-05	Heather Flanagan	Send out the IAF documents for an All-Member Ballot
20121219-06	Heather Flanagan	Send an email framing the Subscriber vs Member issue to the LC list for discussion

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