LC telecon 2011-03-30

Date and Time

• Date: Wednesday, 30 Mar 2011
• Time: 13:00 PT | 16:00 ET | 20:00 UTC (time chart)
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Agenda

1. Roll call
2. Approval of 2011-03-16 minutes
3. Action item review
4. Berlin meeting May 16-18: don't forget to register!
5. BoT matters
6. WG/DG matters
   1. Consider Trust Framework Meta Model (TFMM) WG charter
   2. Consider Liberty Spec Maintenance WG status
7. AOB

Attendees

Quorum is 7 of 12 as of 10 Nov 2010.

Voting reps:

1. Consumer ID WG: represented by Bob Pinheiro
2. ID Assurance WG: represented by Myisha Frazier-McElveen
3. User-Managed Access WG: represented by Eve Maler
4. Healthcare ID Assurance WG: represented by Pete Palmer
5. eGov WG: represented by Colin Wallis
6. Federation Interoperability WG: represented by John Bradley
7. Telecommunications Identity WG: represented by Jonas Hogberg

Non-voting reps:

• Liberty Spec Maintenance WG: represented by Prateek Mishra
• BCTF DG: represented by Rainer Hoerbe

Staff:

• Dervla O'Reilly

Regrets:

• Paul Trevithick

Not in attendance:

ULX WG: represented by Paul Trevithick or co-chair
ID-WSF Evolution WG: represented by Peter Davis
Japan WG: represented by Toshihiro Suzuki or Yasuhisa Sakamoto
Privacy and Public Policy WG: represented by Jeff Stollman or Anna Slomovic
Board of Trustees: Vadim Lander

Minutes

Roll call

Quorum was achieved.

Approve 2011-03-16 minutes

Motion: Moved by Eve, seconded by Pete:

Passed by unanimous consent.

Action item review

• 2010-10-19-2 Trent Open Explore with Staff how Confluence can be used to offer some sort of cross-group reporting that is useful and minimal impact on all involved. Dervla hasn't heard back from Trent; she'll keep trying.

Berlin meeting May 16-18: don't forget to register!

The early-bird registration deadline closes in a couple of weeks. Dervla notes that those traveling from Munich to Berlin over the weekend may want to avail themselves of the train option; several Kantara people have been booking this train trip together. Note that there is a REFEDS meeting in Europe that weekend; John and Colin considered attending but won't after all.

BoT matters

The minutes for last week's meeting have not been made available yet. It was a short call.

Consider Trust Framework Meta Model (TFMM) WG charter

Discussion: Does it make sense to submit the WG's work to the OASIS transformational government TC and/or consider this to be an official liaison relationship? It's producing a framework one of whose essential criteria is identity management, but that work takes a broader view. John spoke to ITU-T today about a similar kind of arrangement that may make sense for the x.oitf work; he pointed out that the Kantara work would be CC-licensed. Rainer is supportive of community interrelationships but cautions not to collapse the meta model work onto the scope of specific instances of trust frameworks prematurely. If we are careful to identify what is out of scope and are satisfied with the currently broad scope statement, that would seem to suffice.

Motion: Moved by Eve, seconded by Bob:

• Approve Trust Framework Meta Model (TFMM) WG charter.

Amendment: Add OASIS as a liaison target to the charter.

Motion and amendment passed by unanimous consent.

Consider Liberty Spec Maintenance WG status

To date, the LC has approved the shutting down of various dormant groups, which involves marking the group and wiki area as inactive on the site and shutting down the mailing list. The BoT hasn't yet figured out how to handle the "electronic assets" of such groups going forward; so far these assets are all preserved in their original places on the Web.

Prateek notes that the Liberty Spec Maintenance group is indeed dormant at the moment. If interest should arise in picking up the Liberty specs and using them elsewhere (as when ID-FF V1.2 was contributed to the OASIS SAML TC for the SAML 2.0 work), what should happen? Colin notes that the Liberty ID-WSF SOAP Binding is pretty widely used in Europe and elsewhere. But only the SAML Conformance Testing Plan, ID-SIS, IGF, and ID-FF docs are actually in scope for this WG. John suspects that the SAML Conformance Testing Plan should be considered to have shifted to the interop testing program, so that it wouldn't be an "electronic assets" issue

Discussion: It looks a bit odd that people can nominally join the WG when it's truly dormant, and membership quorum levels get difficult to determine. On the other hand, if someone comes around later and wants to build extensions, what should they do? The good thinking ensconced in those documents should be amenable to usage in the new era. If we inactivate the group, a couple of options to consider include either starting a DG of people who are interested to field future questions from users, or encouraging (though, e.g., a note on the old WG page) future "extenders" to start a new Kantara WG if they have an interest. Dervla will consult Joni on these ideas.

Next Meeting

• Date: Wednesday, 13 Apr 2011
• Time: 13:00 PT | 16:00 ET | 21:00 UTC (time chart)