P3WG Meeting Minutes 2009-08-20

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Kantara Initiative Privacy & Public Policy Teleconference

Date and Time

  • Date: Thursday, Aug. 20, 2009
  • Time: 8:00 PDT | 11:00 EDT | 15:00 UTC

Meeting Minute Status

Working Draft

This page is a Working Draft subject to further revision and has not yet been approved by the P3WG.

Attendees

  • Patrick Curry
  • Susan Landau
  • Mark Lizar
  • Georgia Marsh
  • Jeff Stollmann
  • Randy van der Hoof
  • David Weitzel
  • Robin Wilton

Apologies

  • J. Trent Adams
  • Brett McDowell

Discussion

RW - (1) Re-invited members to submit nominations for the post of Vice chair (see action 4, below)

PC - Noted the commonality of purpose which exists between much of P3WG's work and that of the Identity Assurance WG (for instance, as illustrated by the current discussions about LoA and public policy). Suggested close liaison with IAWG (Frank Villavicencio) and Richard Wilsher.

Also recommended a clear transatlantic and EU focus for P3WG, on the basis that the public policy questions in areas such as LoA are global in nature - for example, inconsistent policies and/or incompatible govt guidelines just make life harder for industries such as defence/aerospace, which need to cross borders (and therefore also policy and regulatory boundaries).

Suggested finding out whether P3WG would be natural addition to one of ICAM's 6 existing groups, or whether it could be more useful by delivering the international perspective to their work.

JS - Identified two principal areas of action:
1 - response to ICAM team following Washington workshop of Aug 10th.
2 - broadening the scope of P3WG's participant community (see action 2 below)

RW - Asked members to consider whether P3WG is likely to wish to apply to the Kantara Board of Trustees (BoT) for any budget beyond basic Kantara staff/infrastructure expenditure. One suggestion was to try and find ways to host a face-to-face with policymaker outreach goals.

RvdH: Proposed Washington DC Smart Card Alliance meeting (late October 2009) as a suitable forum for P3WG to run policymaker engagement workshop.

PC - proposed a P3WG deliverable which sets out the differences between UK and US policies on LoA: e.g. the different kinds of recommendation made in the US MB-04-04 and 800-63 documents and the corresponding UK Cabinet Office draft.

Actions

(1) ICAM response: SL, JS drafting a response, which will then be circulated to P3WG for comment. Theme is that LoA=1 discussion is just a starting point for a broader look at the appropriate matching of technology and policy to all the LoA levels, and consideration of how to cater for users/applications/services which cross the boundary between LOA levels. BM to approve letter before sending under Kantara branding.

ICAM follow-up: RvdH, RW to investigate Smart Card Alliance opportunity with a view to proposing to Kantara Board of Trustees during the plenary meetings.

(2) PC to help P3WG engage with policy-maker community - ONGOING:

  • Judy Spencer
  • Dave Temoshok
  • EU ENISA

RW - UK Information Commissioner's Office

  • Identify other suitable EU candidates (e.g. from PrimeLife or other projects)

(3) RW to invite Paul Hasson (CPO - US Visit) to participate in P3WG and report status - carried forward.

(4) Call for nominations to the posts of P3WG Vice Chair - ONGOING

  • First stage: nominations (staff at kantarainitiative dot org)
  • Second stage: secret ballot to same address

(5) RW to post draft of "Privacy Assurance Module" concept for Identity Assurance schemes - carried forward.

(6) PC to make an initial evaluation of the US and UK LoA policy documents with a view to drafting a P3WG 'difference analysis'. (NB - a suggested first step would be to ask ICAM and UK Cabinet Office whether there is already such an analysis, and if not whether there is appetite for one...)

(7) RW to ask Frank Villavicencio at Kantara plenaries about IAWG's budget plans.

(8) RvdH to provide URL of possible workgroup collaboration service for e.g. document production

Document references

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